Sharing True Eloquence
Posted on Aug 25th, 2008
by
HummingBird

I was looking at Assaji son's photo this morning
and we were sharing our sadness that traditional clothing is not often worn
my thoughts:
isn't it like that?
The youth always want to create something new
or at least 'be modern'
and so what was once status quo becomes traditional
and 'an old hat'
... to be followed by nostalgia
I guess that's why I loved wearing a chuba and following the traditional Tibetan ceremony on my wedding day!
Because Tibet is so threatened a culture
- having the opportunity to bring these traditions into the wider world
is so special - and gives them longevity
The other thing is -
the new is also inevitable
We have a push and pull situation going on
... looking over our shoulder with longing
while forging new paths ahead ...
Tagged with: True Eloquence, wedding, chuba, traditional dress, Gien, culture, the new, peace in Tibet

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Oh wow Anna, you wrote something wonderful and important in this great blog of yours. I love wearing traditional clothes all the time. I buy clothes from Tibetan stores, Indian, Chinese, etc. Even though those are not my primary culture I love wearing their traditional clothes and I wear them with pride and respect. I am a child of the world and the universe.
I just bought a sewing machine so I can create my own traditional style clothing or whatever I can think of. I love fabrics from different culture and would like to create my own creations, thoughts, ideas and designs. Hopefully I can learn to sew quickly so I can show my creations.
Thank you for this thoughts you have laid out in this blog.
We must celebrate our traditions and never be ashame of them.
love and blessings,
Samme
Samme, precious child of the divine universe, I am fizzing with goosebumps as I read your comment
Thank you so much
Your welcome and thank you. And by the way you look fabulous and beautiful in your elegant chuba.
traditional with modernistic,
Samme
I so agree. Anytime I can get my hands on somebody's traditional garb I will wear it! I don't have enough occasions to wear them in my opinion! I have to create reasons to throw on a kikoy from Kenya; I make it part of 'business wear' Sherrilene-style. Nobody questions, interestingly.
I think one would be surprised how much the young people would love to integrate with the old, enduring ways. They often await introduction, permission of a sort…
Thanks for this blog Anna. I love it!
Sherri
Aaw thank you, Samme
Sherri, I'm sure no one questions 'cause you look so terrific wearing it!
I agree with what you say about youngsters
- there is something unnerving about hurtling giddily into unchartered territory
and something so grounding and nourishing about drawing from one's roots (no matter what they are - universal in my case)
much love
we need traditions to ground us and at the same time to move fearlessly ahead - it is a tricky balance especially when we are younger and eager to be free of the dead past. but this photo beautifully shows how tradition can clothe and enhance the new and progressive
Nicole, my 1st feeling was of one traveling spirit resonating with another
and my other
was to hook on your words 'dead past' and ponder;
It's true the past is dead and gone
and there's that saying,
'the more things change the more they stay the same'
The more I dwell on the tenses; past present and future
the more I find impossible riddles present themselves
- I love that!
Do you were traditional South African dresses?
I've worn traditional Middle Eastern galabiyas, Indian salwar khamises and Tibetan chupas but I don't even know what the traditional dress of my town/region is. That's sad.
Hi Jenny.
I have worn a fair amount of South African beadwork - of which there are a lot of stunning samples around. I haven't worn a lot of traditional South African dresses though. For one thing, this is such a multi cultural country - for example we have 11 official languages - there isn't one type of traditional clothing. Interestingly, the printed fabric used for most traditional clothing here, comes from the east - as do the beads.
I do love Madiba (Mandela) shirts for men - they have mandarin collars - which is a Chinese influence. Gien wore a beautiful orange one when we got married.
Sounds like you have some wonderful clothing! I feel we live in international times and hopefully will one day realise a world without borders - and realise this in no way threatens individuality.
Yes, I understand that there is a huge amount of different “traditional” “South African” clothes. What I was wondering, have you worn clothes traditional to your background? You are saddened by the fact that tradional clothes aren't worn any more (or are rarely worn any more) but as a matter of fact, we don't wear our traditional clothes either. As I said, I don't even know which dress is traditional in my region. If you go to Tibet, you'll see everybody wearing chupas, in India, women wear saris, etc. but in the countries of the north (or other westernized countries such as South Africa), people will wear other peoples' traditional dresses rather than their own culture's and thus a lot of tradtional dresses “die out” (as you mentioned in your blog). That is a pity.
I was just reading what Jenny said and I actually felt a sadness within it. Although I don't play the victim game that much, I get angry that a systematic effort has been made to wipe out all our images of early tradition in the colonised places like here in the Caribbean. I can't tell you what our 'traditional' dress was because everything African was washed out during slavery!
The clothing which I see have been 'adopted' for certain national events are old servant and military garb which have not sat with me well. I am far more drawn to the elegant garments which I see women of the native African continent wear, inclusive of head dress. How exciting to me! And the Indian saris are some of the most beautiful and well presented garments anywhere. I embrace them in honour… perhaps in recognition that I don't know what my original people even wore…
I know I don't like what they wear too much now tho lol
Just my thoughts. Sherri
Hi Sherri and Jenny - thank you for sharing your heartfelt thoughts!
I think so many resonate with this subject.
Jenny - for me you raise such an interesting subject for me personally. Because I feel my back ground IS South African. If I trace my roots way way back - I get the the French - who, although speaking a wonderful language and are amazing cooks (etc, etc) aren't people I relate to as my roots. I am African (though many beg to differ). But what does this mean…
and my response is: EXACTLY!
And a whole vista opens up…
Sherri I love your passion and deep deep sense of roots - for one such as I, that is so grounding!
I feel a sense of deep pain which stirs within you and also a sense of pride and, and…
Oh, Jenny - interestingly - what sparked this blog was Assaji in Thailand mourning the lack of traditional dress worn there
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Yes it is the pride of association I think, moreso than the direct connection by blood or whatever. I enjoy diversity, indeed there is sure to be a good percentage of British in my bloodlines as well, but again, I don't feel that excitement to relate. It is a judgment, I confess. Not sufficient for me to bash British people now or anything; this is pointless and totally ineffective. But the longstanding pride of place of the old countries is something that I love a sense of association with… I have long dreamed of having an outfit from China or Japan… So you can see it isn't strictly the nationality. It is the values that associate with them I think…
I know what you mean, Sherri. The other thing which is on my mind is
- what about past lives? We associate so strongly with 'an identiy'
- and have this for, what, a fleeting 70 yrs or so?
What were we last time round (I know not everyone relates to reincarnation, so I am speaking purely for myself)?
Chances are - we may have been African then too - or… who knows?
I made dahl for lunch today (with coconut rice). (just wetting your appetites :)
My mother has always been a wonderfully cosmopolitan cook.
When we were very little our family (born in SA for several generations) lived in Spain, France, St Ives and my mom came from an area where Malay cooking was influential. So she was inspired by many strands.
It was as an adult I discovered the simple dahl
and it was like 'coming home'.
I will always have a taste for diversity - but the days when I need grounding and have some 'home cooking in front of the fire' experience - mmm it's got to be good simple dahl.
Now where does that come from?
My 'heritage' is 'odd'. My mom was born into an Afrikaans family who disowned her for running off with my father - who's crime was being:
1. an artist
2. english speaking
In turn my mom turned her back on her family and I never got to know most of them (certainly not of the 'traditional' members) until we were older (in fact until after my father died)
.. and Afrikaans was never spoken
so when I eventually got to meet 'this family' - I was such an 'English girl' in comparison to them!
But born into a rebel family. Really! many friends were exiled for 'political conduct'. And our years in those wonderful countries over seas, were actually life in exile. My parents found SA's Apartheid deplorable and witnessed too much resulting heart ache.
This pod has opened up a conversation! Where were we? Oh, yes! Clothing!
Hi Anna,
I can well relate to where you're coming from. I never felt very “German” either. Even as a kid I usually hung with the immigrant kids rather than with my German mates and maybe that's one of the reasons I was never taken for German. Even up until today people here in Germany ask me where I was from because they think I don't “look German”. Often they don't even believe me when I say “I'm German”. They'll go on “But yeah, where are your parents from?” - “Where are you originally from”. Got that from my daddy, he apparently looks ver “un-German”, too (whatever “looking German” in the melting pot world of today means!).
And since I didn't “look German” while at the same time having been exposed to different cultures, languages and religions due to my parents' “internationalism” and interests, I never felt very German either.
And yes, like you, I cook internationally, I dress internationall, my home is decorated with artefacts from the various countries I've visited and I feel very good about it while I still consider my roots to be in the German Rhineland (and I feel strongly about it, too). I think my parents' way has definitely broadened my horizon. What a pity though that they never introduced me to the traditional dress of my home region (to get back to the initial topic). :)))
Anna you are definitely saying something there! I think I started out in this incarnation diverse; I am certain I never properly identified with a sect or group given my experience.
Although I grew up in a typical lower middle class West Indian household and went to an all 'black' primary school, immediately when I went to secondary school where there was now more diversity, I easily associated with the white students, the students there on exchange, coming from abroad - North Korea, Norway, Scotland - one of my GREATEST friends and buddies - … and yes, there was substantial segregation although it was not overt or spoken of. [This situation remains somewhat in effect I might add…] I, frankly, identified with everyone.
But the people that want to operate as human before grouping will naturally do so! This has been my ever-present learning. If I along with others could do this from 11 years old and pretty much keep it up, it tells me that it isn't that curious after all. ALL of my best friends are actively mixing with different 'sects' and greatly admire their differences and love it!
Again, it's not so sexy as other subjects so it will hardly make the news, but it is not that far from our reality as we probably think. We are either spiritually still children in our innocence or really really really old souls. Or perhaps a bit of both? lol
Clothing seems … surface covering now, doesn't it? lol You simply never know where the conversations will take us. But I learn a tremendous amount from this medium I must confess.
Anna you might find MamaSue's blog on the New Age thoughts interesting.
Thanks I enjoyed this. Thank you so much Anna.
My sincere regards to Gien!
Sherri
Jenny I just read your comments; I think we were posting at the same time. I am constantly asked 'Where are you from?' 'Were you born here?' 'You look international!' whatever that is lol
Like you, I feel identity a little with my birthplace, but it definitely doesn't dominate me either. I take pride in certain aspects of my upbringing in this place but I feel some sadness about other bits as well. It is why I attempt to identify to my human best self first and foremost and then anything else afterwards…
Peace and love. Sherri
that's so funny Jenny and Sherri …
I have also ALWAYS been asked where I come from!
Been told I look everything from South American, Portuguese to Italian!
I have often wondered if it's a looks thing - or if it's to do with a 'who I am' thing.
Yes, it does start to feel like we're talking about a very thin veneer, doesn't it?
I've found comfort in feeling like a child of the universe
even while I truly care about what happens on earth
I love living in sunny SA
I deplore the violence and crime here
I deplore Apartheid history which birthed this
I feel responsible to
NOT give up hope
and behave accordingly
I am proud of coming from a country which has 11 official languages
which embraces and recognises all it's people
which has the fairest policies (on paper) on all earth
.. there's more
but my head is tired after a long day
At the same time…
I have (recently) reached a point of feeling unattached about where I live
- I literally feel I could probably flow with any situation anywhere in the world
- Perhaps I'm also accepting of the mortality of this existence in a way I haven't been before
mmm I like where this is taking me to
- back to the spiritual … (my favorite place:)
much love to you
your site has a lovely gentle energy to it-thank you.
traditions are a wonderful way to explore parts of self- to experiment with. Your wedding photos express a sublime sense of tradition being carried into the present- and of transformed in the moment. lovely blog -z
Thank you, Zephyrnorth for bringing a beautiful vibration
I love the way you combine tradition and transformation
Anna, to some extent my detachment from surroundings has actually helped me to make what difference that I could. I don't even expose my Vision and Mission to anyone except me and God; it is quite rare. I've had to set a different kind of standards altogether. So, what can I say? Spirit works lol
Peace and love to you!
Blessings. Sherri
Sherri, that is beautiful to hear.
I'm not entirely clear on what you mean by:
I've had to set a different kind of standards altogether.
(the problem of communication primarily in a written media)
I understand; I usually try to take the time to cover all the nuances but I had to move quickly earlier [that is a lesson too! Don't rush things lol]
Yes, it was my dissatisfaction with what was considered culturally acceptable in organisational life that was the propulsion for me to start my company the Human Quality Headquarters, based on my god-given vision of how harmonious workplace relationships could be, which was very much based on the individual's actions in his own space founded on awareness of his power.
There are no role models even till now for me to work with. It is all divinely inspired, but thankfully, it is consistent and has not taken me off course the slightest bit. I so honour this inspiration that I refuse to tarnish it with my otherwise human insecurities etc. Work is sacred in that space.
It, in itself, is quite a journey! But a greatly satisfying one because it represents the best self that I can conceive at any one point in time.
Hope this explains a bit better. Thank you so much! Sherri
Thank you, Sherri - precious journey indeed
those who enjoyed this discussion may find this an interesting pod - I'm just telling them about this chat
Thank you. I will take a look! It looks like me ;)
Lots of love. S
see you there!
HummingBird Anna; how lovely that I finally found this discussion [came thru your link on the world heritage society]; and what a gentle breezze blows through these sharings. Right now, I just wanted to acknowledge that.
Oh Meenakshi it is always precious when you visit! thank you